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Jude 13 Lunatic Lordship (Man-Centered) Salvation Part 1




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Jude13 Lunatic Lordship (Man-Centered) Salvation Pt 1

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I. God's objective is to bring about forgiven (redeemed/reconciled/justified), holy/saints (sanctified), who can be rewarded (glorified) epi (basis of) their HS motivated faithfulness, thus glorifying God when He gives them earned glory of The Age.

Both “Lordship-Fee Grace” and “Free Grace” want to have believers live in conformity to God's revealed will but which is Scriptural?

II. Abraham and Israel were saved/delivered before  circumcision/“baptism” Gen 15:5 so s hall your descendants be." 6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. and the law given to obey, by responding to the Revelation they had been given They put their faith in the Lord Ex 14:31 Thus Israel saw the great work which the LORD had done in Egypt; so the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD and His servant Moses. They were forgiven (Num 14)) yet suffered loss (1C0r 3 10)

III. Repent is never used in the Epistles (1x Paul); nor John's gospel; 5x of believers in Rev, re glorification where consequence is loss of reward

Repentance (mind change re Messiah Isa 40:10) is in light of the Promised Mill Kingdom to Day of Atonement Jews, re temporal wrath (Lk 3) 

Jn 11:25 I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? 27 "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world

Jn 3:3 unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of/from God. 14 as Moses lifted up the serpent  (no repentance but look to God's provision for sin) 15 that whoever believes in Him should Subjunctive not perish but have eternal/of The Age life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting/The Age life.

Born again by word of God 1Pt; belief in the truth – not a promise to reform

No faith preached Mt 4:17 Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heavenS is at hand."

Mt 8:8 not worthy...speak a word servant healed  9 authority 'Do this,' and he does it." 10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, "Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!

11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you." 

9:2  paralytic...When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you."

21 she said to herself, "If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well." 22 But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, "Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well." and the woman was made well from that hour.

27 two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Son of David, have mercy on us. 28 the blind men came to him: and Jesus said: “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “ Yes Lord.” “ Acc to your faith be it unto you.”

IV. Lose forgiveness? Or inheritance Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19  if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The Truth that “Bad Things Happen to Bad Believers (q.v. sermon on Truthbase) in no way means they were never “saved” q.v. Outer Darkness sermon)

1Cor 10 Admonitions to flee lust v6 and idolatry v7,14 are given to the beloved brethern who are in communion with the blood of Christ.

20 I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. 21 You not able to drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons;     *or else!

Corrective is not to be born again, or put faith in Jesus as sinbearer, nor even repent and promise not to sin but 1Cor 10:33 live for glory of God*

V. To the praise of His glory  2Thess 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed in that day. (Cf. 2Thess 2 and Eph 1 next week)

2Thess 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other,

4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting/of The Age destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10  when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, acc to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 

13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation thru sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 10 Justifying faith must precede confession of Lord Jesus   John F. Hart Moody faithalone.org/journal/1999ii/J23-99b.htm

Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him (corporate Body of which He is the Head)  before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (as He is holy – which doesn't happen unless we obey, eis most of NT teaching -the obedience sourced in faith) and without blame before Him in love (which most self-centered immature carnal believers don't do 1jn 1Cor 3; and for which all will be judged 2Cor 5 etc which occurs deferentially) , 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons (differ from child – Rm 8; Gal 2) by Jesus Christ to Himself, acc to the good pleasure of His will (which can be resisted -God wants all to be saved; Jerusalem chicks), 6 to the praise of the glory (note what's being manifested and praised) of His grace by which He made us accepted in the Beloved (in union with Christ-the True Vine Jn 15-keep yourself in the love of/toward God Rm 9; our blameless acceptance is only achieved by abiding in Him and His Words in us).

7 In (union with) Him we have redemption thru His blood/cross; (like Israel after Passover lamb sacrifice 1Cor 5:7 btw, we must purge), the forgiveness of sins (forgiveness=redemption, acc to the riches of His grace (note glory not mentioned)

8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery (ch 3) He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth --- in Him.

11 In Him also (note that this is separate from redemption/forgiveness) we have obtained an inheritance (reward of sons), being predestined acc to the purpose of Him who works all things acc to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; (justification-sanctification-glorification) in whom also, having believed ptcp,  you were sealed (ownership/security Rm 4:11 circum-righteousness) with the Holy Spirit of promise,

14 who is the guarantee (bad translation: earnest=downpayment) of our inheritance (reward not forgiveness) until the redemption (glorification of our bodies Rm 8) of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. 

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,

Romans doesn't use the word “salvation” when discussing justification.

Mt 13:15 people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles 22 received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

Romans doesn't use the verb  “saved” until chapter 5, after talking about being justified by faith in chap 3.

Rm 5:1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God thru our Lord Jesus Christ,

2 thru whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God thru the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God thru our Lord Jesus Christ, thru whom we have now received the reconciliation. 

Romans introduces the word “salvation”in 1:16 to those who

4  declared to be the Son of God with power acc to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

5 Thru Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith 6 you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

7 all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints/holy: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8  your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 11 I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established ---12 that is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

13 might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles. 15 I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."  18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Rm 10:8 "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart/mind that God has raised Him from the dead, you w10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rm 13:11 And do this (love neighbor), knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in wanton caprice and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

Errors of Lordship Salvation/Forgiveness Teachers and some Free Grace adherents:

(from various articles)

  1. Purpose of creation is salvation, rather than the glorification of God thru displaying His grace/favor/reward to those who are faithful to Him (cx satan; cf Job)
  2. Fail to understand that salvation is a progressive reversal of the Fall 
  3. Fail to understand the different aspects/stages of salvation and righteousness
  4. Unbelievably ignorant about rewards/glorification
  5. (ignorant about subjunctive aspects or benefits of works) 
  6. Allergic to works and deny the existence of carnal or immature or disqualified believers
  7. Incapable of distinguishing love and acceptance, 
  8. falsely believing the latter is unconditional (vs covenantal)
  9. Confuse the kingdom from/of the Heavens/God with heaven/the eternal state
  10. Cannot articulate how the Jews had a rlshp with God for 1500+ years
  11. nor take into account the efficacy of the Leviticus sacrifices 
  12. (atonement +forgiveness= restored rlshp with God)
  13. nor that of the Day of Atonement. 
  14. Fail to understand OT righteousness, and that Jesus spoke to those whose sins were covered by participation in the Day Atonement
  15. Which is why the majority of the Gospels, and the initial message of John Jesus and the Apostles, 
  16. was not about the cross (ie, no mention in first sermon, the Sermon on the Mount)
  17. but about reward in the promised OT kingdom. 
  18. Misunderstand the audience and context of repentance (mind change) verses. Lk 3:8
  19. Falsely assert that faith is a gift (cx Eph 2:10 {“that” is neuter, thus not faith nor grace}
  20. Deceived re Calvinism and human responsibility 
  21. (the former is non-existent in the Bible, while the latter permeates the Bible from Gen-Rev.)
  22. Fail to see the role of HS motivated/directed works in working out one's salvation 
  23. and pleasing God (Phil 2:13)
  24. Blindly assert the gospel is only about Jesus dying for our sins (1Cor 15)
  25. and not about the Messiah coming to rule/repay (Isa 40:10) 
  26. Some object to the fear of God or hope of reward as Biblical  motivations for service 
  27. insisting only on love and gratitude. Mt 10:28 do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 
  28. Fail to see that the Gospels and Epistles were written to NT believers who often were behaving badly (babes in Christ)
  29. Fail to see that the corrective to errors pointed out to believers in the Epistles is never to believe that Jesus died for your sins
  30. Incorrectly view Gehenna, or outer darkness,  as the lake of fire; 

Lev17:11  For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. Heb 9:22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

You can't reward/pay back someone unless they've done something